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Jung (Monday, 02/06/2006, 4th Period)

CLASS IS CLOSED FOR GRADING.
The door is closed to minimize disturbances from the hallway. Jenny had fresh fruit for her students, along with coffee. "Jung was way less interested in the development of personality throughout life than he was in the unconscious. Still, let's take a look at his thoughts on it anyway, 'kay?

Childhood: Jung figured children were instinctual creatures, focused primarily on sleeping, eating, things like that. Ever been around a newborn? He's not so wrong there. But they develop a bit more than he gives them credit for as they get older, I feel. Jung was big on the role of the parent. Parents? Needed to direct their children's energy so that they didn't become chaotic and unbalanced. In other words? He wanted parents to discipline their kids and figured that if the parents were having problems, it was likely going to be reflected in their kids' behaviors.

Adolescence: Hey, look at that, something that relates to the stage of life you guys are in. Life decisions! Where do you go to school? What do you do about dating? Dealing with the opposite sex? A lot of how you deal is going to depend on if you're an introvert or an extrovert. Here's where Jung theorizes that the persona becomes pretty developed based on your dominant function of introversion or extroversion--as opposed to dealing with the world based on parental expectations, like you probably did in childhood. Lots of individuation is expected to go on here, but it's not the phase Jung was most interested in.

Middle Age. Jung's most interested in this, maybe because he had a midlife crisis. This was when he really explored his unconscious life through his dreams, and lots of creative work. In fact, a lot of his patients were middle-aged. They had to cope with feelings of meaninglessness or loss in their lives, and gosh, sounds just like a midlife crisis to me. What do you think? Lots of issues came out here. Jung comes up with the term puer aeterunus here, which talks about men who have difficulty growing out of adolescence and being self-reliant. Guys this term can be applied to? Little too attached their moms. But don't worry, Jung was pretty evenhanded. He also had the term puella aeterna for women who were too attached to their daddies and had a problem accepting the responsibility for being adults. Doesn't mean these people can't be creative. Just means they may have responsibility issues.

Old age? Well, talk about a wrap-up phase. Jung believed that people in old age spent more and more time within their unconscious--trying to understand their lives and derive meaning from them. It's a way of preparing for death, and a time to develop wisdom. Kinda rare for his era, but Jung believed that psychological development continued throughout life.

So. Interesting? Boring? What do you guys think?"

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[identity profile] leeadama.livejournal.com 2006-02-08 10:57 pm (UTC)(link)
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Re: Discussion - Today's Topic: Development Through Life

[identity profile] auroryborealis.livejournal.com 2006-02-06 05:47 pm (UTC)(link)
"So, the whole introverted versus extroverted thing doesn't take hold until adoescence?" Rory clarified. "So what about the inclinations children show to either direction? Are they indicative of anything, or do we just ignore that until they hit their teens?"

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[identity profile] notstakedyet.livejournal.com 2006-02-06 06:53 pm (UTC)(link)
"So he felt sexuality as a whole was based on introversion or extroversion?" Angel asked. "Or just how we deal with sexuality?"

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[identity profile] notstakedyet.livejournal.com 2006-02-06 07:18 pm (UTC)(link)
"Sexual orientation," Angel said. "Freud had all kinds of ideas about where that came from. I was wondering if Jung did the same."

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[identity profile] notstakedyet.livejournal.com 2006-02-07 04:15 am (UTC)(link)
"Some blame the dad."

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[identity profile] notstakedyet.livejournal.com 2006-02-07 04:29 am (UTC)(link)
"Never understood the fuss myself," Angel agreed.

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[identity profile] emo-padawan.livejournal.com 2006-02-06 07:17 pm (UTC)(link)
"If parents were so important," Anakin began, "what were Jung's opinions about orphans, or children whose parents disappeared early in their lives?"

No reason he was at all interested in this line of questioning. Nope.

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[identity profile] auroryborealis.livejournal.com 2006-02-06 07:21 pm (UTC)(link)
Rory glanced over at Anakin, watching his expression.

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[identity profile] ihatedenmark.livejournal.com 2006-02-07 04:00 am (UTC)(link)
*Hamlet adds on to this line of questioning.*

And what about those who have lost a parent? Or have had a step-parent that conniving, murderous fiend rudely insert himself in their lives?

Re: Discussion - Today's Topic: Development Through Life

[identity profile] auroryborealis.livejournal.com 2006-02-07 04:02 am (UTC)(link)
"Or maybe those who have a surrogate parent, or were only raised by one," Rory added quietly.

Re: Discussion - Today's Topic: Development Through Life

[identity profile] emo-padawan.livejournal.com 2006-02-07 04:55 am (UTC)(link)
Anakin took some notes. "So an organization that takes younglings in when they are infants and replaces parental figures with a different sort of mentor--would Jung believe that there would still be that need to please the mentor? Even if the youngling remembers his or her parents?"

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[identity profile] emo-padawan.livejournal.com 2006-02-07 06:24 pm (UTC)(link)
Anakin nodded slowly but didn't press the matter further.

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[identity profile] dorky-broots.livejournal.com 2006-02-07 04:34 am (UTC)(link)
"So, introverted, extroverted and nothing in between? And yeah, I agree with what's been said. I think a lot of kids show one of those traits when they're little. Like, I was the one in the corner, off by himself. Always. Still am." Broots was rambling.

Re: Discussion - Today's Topic: Development Through Life

[identity profile] leeadama.livejournal.com 2006-02-08 10:58 pm (UTC)(link)
"What about that liminal state between teenagers and middle age? I've heard a lot about the quarter life crisis that my mun is going through, woe and I wonder if any of his theories could adhere to that idea."